Arrows: Results: ACC @ 90m....

[geoffk]

Results:

Not a chance of my friend reaching 90m. We both tried last night.

Lets start with my setup.
70 inch bow using Winnex limbs, 41lb on fingers.
30.5 inch 3-28 ACC arrows, 100gn points.
Thread nocking points on a 8125 string 18 strand

I JUST managed to hit 90m. Sight all the way back, all the way down. I wouldnt call it easy, but I just managed it.

My friends setup.
70 inch bow, few year old Win + Win mid range limbs, 38lb on fingers.
29 inch arrows normally (last night he shot 3-18 ACC with 70gn points)
Brass nocking points, 8125 string 18 strand.
Longer face than mine, we were really sad, and measured our faces!

His arrows were falling out the sky to try and reach 70m!!! Sight right in and down, he only just cleared the top of the 70m target... This is a far cry from "ermmm, no problem!"

So, face length didnt seem to be an issue here, his face does seem longer chin to eye.

I am thinking its probably a factor of 2 things:

1. With 29 inch arrows, he is maybe more suited to a 68 inch bow, this the limbs will be a bit faster.

2. His limbs are a little slow anyway.

Sure, getting rid of the brass nocking points will make a bit of difference as well, but not what we are looking for.

The main question has to be then:

Need to buy some carbon arrows to reach 70 and 90m. ACE arrows are £250. Im sure we can get them to 90m. But should we look at the limbs?
The total budget therefore has to be £250 for both arrows and limbs if we do this....

[moo-mop]

Originally Posted by geoffk

41lb on fingers, 30.5 inch 3-28 ACC arrows,
38lb on fingers, 29 inch arrows

These two facts will be why your friend didn't get so much as you... he's not only lost the draw-weight, but lost the draw-weight pushing the arrow for 2 inches.

ACEs are the simple, for sure option. I wouldn't think you'd gain so much from limbs at 68. Only he can decide if the goal is to shoot at 90m... otherwise the answer is more obvious.

[geoffk]

Thanks, I wasnt sure we would reach 90m in the original post, and nor were you

[TJ Mason]

When I shot 3L-18 A/C/Cs from 38lb Challenger Craft limbs, I had no problem reaching 90 metres/100 yards. Have you tried a tuning session to make sure you're getting the best out of the equipment? If not, I'd suggest downloading the Easton guide and working through the steps.

[Whitehart]

Originally Posted by moo-mop

ACEs are the simple, for sure option. I wouldn't think you'd gain so much from limbs at 68.

Depends on the limb, but he is below the bottom end of what I would call the efficient working window of the limb to compensate this usually requires an increase of marked limb weight by 2-3lb, the lower the poundage of the limb the bigger the difference.

[tynant]

30" A/C/C
36lb Challenger wood limbs - 41lb (ish) on the fingers
70" bow
Hit 100yds/90M with no problem.

Can just make 90m with my old XX75's too.

[EVC]

May I suggest two other approaches that could make a difference?

1- Lower strands count string (e.g. 14), 8125 with padded loops and center serving.
2- Oberon faces.

Of course it must affect tuning drastically and increase bow noise. But you guys could try them at a low cost with the current arrows to see how much of a difference they make and complement with the arrows further.

The midrange WinWin limbs I guess are the Winact?

HTH.

Elder.

[Legolas]

While this is a problem not being able to hit 90m let alone 70m each person might have a different idea whether it would or wouldn't work. It is strange that women shooting lighter bow weights can reach 70m/80y no problems so I would say that tech could be part of the problem.

I had a situation with an archer I coached on occasions could not reach 90m he was falling short. Improvements to tech got his arrow from falling short to hitting the gold with room on the sight track.

I don't have the answer as such but you could spend money on ACE arrows and still fall short at 90m. It might help to see someone that can give advice face to face at least then you stand a chance to get it right.

Hope it works out in the end.

[Little Miss Purple]

Legolas - I could hit 100 yards with my 28lb recurve... but can only manage it since getting my compound to 50lb.. work that out!!!


To the original problem.. have you tried adding a block to the fingertab to gain some distance there?

[Harrison Ooi]

Easy fix, take out your sight, put it the wrong way round,and then try.You should hit 90m. If not,aim the flags on top of the target butts. If you still can't reach 90m, wind in the limb bolts. If all else fails, check your release, only then would you need to change equipment.

[Legolas]

Originally Posted by Little Miss Purple

Legolas - I could hit 100 yards with my 28lb recurve... but can only manage it since getting my compound to 50lb.. work that out!!!


To the original problem.. have you tried adding a block to the fingertab to gain some distance there?

Sounds like there is not a problem you can hit the distance with both your recurve and compound so not sure what you mean.

I am sure if you wanted to drop the poundage on the compound you could go for a lighter arrow like most would. Also there is bow set up as well eg peep sight which can make changes to sight marks. Again as mentioned before their are so many varables best to see someone at the club that can help.

[moo-mop]

Who gets sight mark is not simple, I tend to hear more from the archers that can do it with such and such kit on the boards than the majority where it would be unlikely. This often also occurs in arguments when men argue that women should be shooting 90m. Yet those I know sometimes have to pull 33lbs to reach 70m, for sure not 28lb (yes these arrows are going faster and trajectory is better but it is still unfortunate for them, in one case 'ability' outstripping strength for distance caused somebody to leave archery as they hated weights).
Tuning/string etc does not give that much extra ummp and for me with a draw just under 29.5in I also don't find much difference between 68 and 70 limbs (oh but sensible nocking point position is vital). Finger tabs can give extra sight mark but although I don't have a problem with the use of a standard platform (which will often increase had-to-eye distance and hence sight mark) I do have problems with the suggestion of building your tab up - a good solid contact is essential to get consistent face reference points and that is essential for consistency at the target end.

[Ffish]

Why not consider getting Navigators? Much lighter than ACCs and much cheaper than ACEs. For around £150 you'll get a full set.

My setup:

68" bow
40lbs on the fingers
29" draw length
610 Nav's with 90grn ACE inserts

And I can reach 90m /100yds with no difficulty at all, without the sight right in, or right down.

A clean release and follow-through always help too, but that's a form issue, not an equipment issue

[Murray]

tab?

My 70m sightmark goes from 6.0 on my Shibuya with cavalier tab to 5.1 with an A&F. Almost a full centimeter.

[Little Miss Purple]

Originally Posted by Legolas

Sounds like there is not a problem you can hit the distance with both your recurve and compound so not sure what you mean.

I am sure if you wanted to drop the poundage on the compound you could go for a lighter arrow like most would. Also there is bow set up as well eg peep sight which can make changes to sight marks. Again as mentioned before their are so many varables best to see someone at the club that can help.

Legolas.. you missed my point, I can only now hit the distance with the compound at 50lb.. less poundage & lighter arrows were no use at all. I expected to be able to reach 100 yards with no issues as my poundage was so little on the recurve.

Sorry to highjack the thread...