What is Creep Tuning ?

Exarcher · 02-02-09, 07:51 PM

I've been out of the sport too long !

I've read a few articles and threads that mention 'Creep Tuning' but nobody actually says what it is or how to do it !

It was probably around 10 years ago under another name, but can somebody please tell me about it ?

Thanks in anticipation.

The Meggy · 02-02-09, 07:58 PM

I can't exactly remember either but I've got an old Glade article on it by George Ryals (aka GRIV) which I'll dig out and have a look at. Will let you know what the jist is in the near future!

Exarcher · 02-02-09, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meggy

I can't exactly remember either but I've got an old Glade article on it by George Ryals (aka GRIV) which I'll dig out and have a look at. Will let you know what the jist is in the near future!

I'd be greatful, Thanks.

geoffretired · 02-02-09, 09:02 PM

I think it's to do with comparing results when you pull hard against the stops v results when you pull gently close to the stops. If the timing isn't right at full draw, one cam will move more as you pull harder, giving slightly different impacts between hard pull and gentle pull.
Here's a link
How to Creep tune the Hoyt Cam.5 - Archery Forums 3DShoots.com

The Meggy · 02-02-09, 09:16 PM

That sounds about right Geoff, I'll still dig out my old article when I have a chance though.

sambow · 03-02-09, 11:47 AM

Its a method for determining cam timing. There is a website which explains it:

Creep Tuning

Little Miss Purple · 03-02-09, 03:22 PM

I thought it was someone you didn't like tuning their bow!!

geoffretired · 03-02-09, 03:55 PM

Twisting and untwisting cables is not my favourite pastime.
What if cables could be shortened without twisting them? What if the method was very simple and fast?
Cable slides, the simple ones, pull each cable out of line, and to prevent them from rubbing against each other, one is pulled further off line than the other.
By pulling one cable even further off line, the timing can be changed.(for better or for worse)
A cable slide with one slot cut less deeply than normal would pull one cable further off line. If that made things better, you at least know which cable needs to be shortened. If it turns out spot on; job done!
If you have two cable slides and the relative slot depths are different, it takes seconds to find out if one is better than the other.

sambow · 03-02-09, 04:22 PM

Interesting thought Geoff.

As an aside Ionce found a device which fitted on the ands of the axle shafts where the cables normally loop, then the cables attached to it. The device had screw adjustment for fine tuning cams without having to keep using a bow press. Annoying thing is I have never been able to find it since. I thought it was either a Genesis or Zenith product, but neither sides have it any more.

geoffretired · 03-02-09, 05:04 PM

I don't remember those, Sambow. There was an idea on the old steel cable compounds that had a fitting between the cable and the yoke, it was screw adjustable and took up the slack. Added weight and some caused the cables to rattle together, I think.

Exarcher · 03-02-09, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sambow

Its a method for determining cam timing. There is a website which explains it:

Creep Tuning

Thanks.... I'll have a look at it tonight, it might make interesting bedtime reading.

Watch_Man · 05-02-09, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sambow

Interesting thought Geoff.

As an aside Ionce found a device which fitted on the ands of the axle shafts where the cables normally loop, then the cables attached to it. The device had screw adjustment for fine tuning cams without having to keep using a bow press. Annoying thing is I have never been able to find it since. I thought it was either a Genesis or Zenith product, but neither sides have it any more.

I think the adjusters you are referring to are still made by Spot Hogg - SPOT-HOGG.COM -

sambow · 05-02-09, 02:17 PM

thanks watch man i've been trying to work out where I saw them for ages.

Alexam · 05-02-09, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exarcher

I've been out of the sport too long !

I've read a few articles and threads that mention 'Creep Tuning' but nobody actually says what it is or how to do it !

It was probably around 10 years ago under another name, but can somebody please tell me about it ?

Thanks in anticipation.

Thought it was that seedy looking guy with his violin!

Soreeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Malcolm

GRIV · 03-07-09, 04:48 PM

Hi,

Here is a little more information on the creep tune method.

(dang! - tried to post a link to a youtube vid but the forum won't let me)

Go to you tube and search archery learning center and it will be the top link its called Cam timing.

Enjoy!

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02-02-09, 07:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
The Meggy In the Gold Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Grimsby Posts: 1,037 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournaments Won: 0 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I can't exactly remember either but I've got an old Glade article on it by George Ryals (aka GRIV) which I'll dig out and have a look at. Will let you know what the jist is in the near future!

02-02-09, 09:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
geoffretired It's an X Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Poole uk Posts: 8,334 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournaments Won: 0 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I think it's to do with comparing results when you pull hard against the stops v results when you pull gently close to the stops. If the timing isn't right at full draw, one cam will move more as you pull harder, giving slightly different impacts between hard pull and gentle pull. Here's a link How to Creep tune the Hoyt Cam.5 - Archery Forums 3DShoots.com

02-02-09, 09:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
The Meggy In the Gold Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Grimsby Posts: 1,037 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournaments Won: 0 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	That sounds about right Geoff, I'll still dig out my old article when I have a chance though.

03-02-09, 11:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
sambow In the Gold Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 799 Tournaments Joined: 1 Tournaments Won: 0 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Its a method for determining cam timing. There is a website which explains it: Creep Tuning

03-02-09, 03:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
geoffretired It's an X Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Poole uk Posts: 8,334 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournaments Won: 0 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Twisting and untwisting cables is not my favourite pastime. What if cables could be shortened without twisting them? What if the method was very simple and fast? Cable slides, the simple ones, pull each cable out of line, and to prevent them from rubbing against each other, one is pulled further off line than the other. By pulling one cable even further off line, the timing can be changed.(for better or for worse) A cable slide with one slot cut less deeply than normal would pull one cable further off line. If that made things better, you at least know which cable needs to be shortened. If it turns out spot on; job done! If you have two cable slides and the relative slot depths are different, it takes seconds to find out if one is better than the other.

03-02-09, 04:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
sambow In the Gold Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 799 Tournaments Joined: 1 Tournaments Won: 0 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Interesting thought Geoff. As an aside Ionce found a device which fitted on the ands of the axle shafts where the cables normally loop, then the cables attached to it. The device had screw adjustment for fine tuning cams without having to keep using a bow press. Annoying thing is I have never been able to find it since. I thought it was either a Genesis or Zenith product, but neither sides have it any more.

03-02-09, 05:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
geoffretired It's an X Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Poole uk Posts: 8,334 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournaments Won: 0 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I don't remember those, Sambow. There was an idea on the old steel cable compounds that had a fitting between the cable and the yoke, it was screw adjustable and took up the slack. Added weight and some caused the cables to rattle together, I think.

05-02-09, 02:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
sambow In the Gold Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 799 Tournaments Joined: 1 Tournaments Won: 0 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	thanks watch man i've been trying to work out where I saw them for ages.

03-07-09, 04:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
GRIV In the White Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 15 Tournaments Joined: 0 Tournaments Won: 0 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hi, Here is a little more information on the creep tune method. (dang! - tried to post a link to a youtube vid but the forum won't let me) Go to you tube and search archery learning center and it will be the top link its called Cam timing. Enjoy!